Ayn Rand, Objectivism, and the Objectivist Movement

In philosophy, as in every intellectual field, I strive (largely successfully, I think) to be a completely independent thinker. I look at the evidence, study the issues, and come to my conclusions on my own. That doesn’t mean I’m never influenced by others, far from it: the ideas and arguments of other people often play a huge role in my ultimate conclusion. But I only accept their stances if I can make their arguments fit with what I see, and in the end my conclusions are, in fact, mine. So, while my philosophy is immensely influenced by the work of others, it is a unique system of thought both in its content (I doubt anyone else believes the same totality of philosophical knowledge that I do, and I have reason to believe that some nuances of my philosophical thought are wholly my own) and in the specifics of the approach that led me to it.

And yet. As is obvious to most everyone who knows me online, there is one thinker whose influence on my philosophical thought is of a qualitatively different type than all others. Ayn Rand’s work inspired my systematic study of philosophy, her views and arguments are those I’ve studied and worked to understand far and above any other thinker, and, particularly as the issues get more fundamental, I agree with the the vast majority of her philosophy (excluding her aesthetics, which I have not studied in depth). Moreover, even though there are places we disagree (such as limits on the lifetime of intellectual property), places that she covered where I have no opinion (such as in most important areas of aesthetics), and places that I’ve covered where she has no opinion that I know of (such as the role of statistical methods in scientific discovery), I believe that the essence of the way I live my life is the same as that of someone who lived his life in accordance with the principles of her published philosophy (I don’t know enough about her personal life to say whether or not she was such a person). Despite the importance of her work to my life and our philosophical similarities, however, her philosophy is not, and never will be, mine. Even if I were to spend my life studying her work, understanding it all, and agreeing with all of her philosophical positions, my philosophy would still be mine by virtue of the independent way in which I came to accept it.

Why does this matter? Well, I call myself an Objectivist. But Objectivism is the philosophy of Ayn Rand (I will leave aside for now whether it is the philosophy given by her written works, her lectures, and the approved works and lectures of others or whether it is the philosophy she actually lived by, or whether there is a difference). If an Objectivist is someone whose accepted and lived-by philosophy is Objectivism, then I am not an Objectivist (nor, I would claim, is/was anyone except Rand herself, since the tenants of Objectivism preclude someone accepting her word without independent thought). Even if the requirements are looser than that, however, I still have misgivings about the term. It’s hard to say exactly why, but I have a few thoughts.

Calling yourself an Objectivist seems to shift the focus from which principles you accept to the fact that those principles happen to match a particular historical system (whereas calling yourself a laisseiz-faire capitalist, for example, merely describes a particular position that has no relevant historical qualities to it). Because of this, if you call yourself an Objectivist, it seems important to check your views against Rand’s work if given reason to think they don’t match, even if you’re sure your views are right and don’t think seeing Rand’s view will help you understand the actual philosophical issue better for yourself. It also leads to a tendency for some to substitute discussions about what Rand actually meant on a particular issue for discussions about what the participants mean on that issue (not to say that the former type of discussion is always inappropriate, but often the latter type is more relevant).

I also worry that, since Objectivism is now a fixed body of knowledge, there might be tendencies to study of that body of knowledge for study of philosophy as such (with study of other philosophers often being thought of as solely “history of philosophy”) and to subconsciously resist (not to completely block, but to decrease the likelihood of) thinking about ideas that are outside of or contradict Objectivism. Some people, for example, will respond to reasonable challenges to their views that they don’t want to address not with “you may be right, but I don’t have time/inclination to figure this out right now and my current view is serving me well” but with “you may be right, but I agree with Rand on so many issues and she’s a brilliant integrator, so I give her views benefit of the doubt until I have addressed them”. I’ve also seen many people go through many contortions to cast truly new philosophical questions (whether fundamental principles or just applications) in such a way as to suggest that Rand already answered the question or that there is another question that Rand answered that is only superficially different. One possible example of this latter problem is those who present the “total war” approach to warfare as Rand’s, though perhaps she did address it somewhere and I’ve simply been unable to find it. One definite example (which I had seen long before The Logical Leap) is those who try to stretch Rand’s words in such a way as to claim that she already had an (implicit, some argue) theory on induction, even when she clearly stated that she did not. Also, when people DO seriously consider new ideas, they often focus on the question “is this consistent with Objectivism?” rather than “is this consistent with reality and my views?”

Calling oneself an Objectivist may be an injustice both to yourself and to Rand. To yourself, because you are assigning your core set of ideas that you have worked hard to independently arrive at and validate to Rand. To Rand, because unless you are very conscientious in presenting your views you might be implicitly attributing views that Rand did not hold to her simply by calling yourself an Objectivist while presenting them. I’m not sure, however, how significant this issue really is.

So why don’t I just stop calling myself an Objectivist? This is an issue of concept formation. There is a group of people that includes me, a significant subset of my friends and acquaintances, my girlfriend, and some of the public figures I care about that doesn’t include my family, some of my closest friends, or some of my most admired public figures. Conceptualizing this group is important because membership in the group implies similar values, ways of life, and approaches to issues in a way that reasonably affects how members of the group interact with each other. For example, despite all that I have in common with my brother, I have no reason to expect that he’d be interested in an Atlas Shrugged reading group or attending the Atlanta Objectivist Society’s mini-con, but, even though I’ve only just started talking to him and in some ways have far less in common with him, I can reasonably expect that Santiago Valenzuela might be interested. As another example, while I can reasonably expect to be able to discuss the role of measurement-omission in concept formation with any random member of the group without having to explain what I mean by basic terms or set up my cognitive framework, I would probably have to spend a lot of time working just to make sure my good friend Kathy (with whom I’ve often discussed ideas) understand what I’m saying, let alone has cause to believe it (A good illustration of this is the time I listened to the first few lectures of Dr. Peikoff’s Induction in Physics and Philosophy series while in the car with my brother. Seth was legitimately listening and trying to chew what Dr. Peikoff was saying, and about an hour and a half in he paused the CD and asked something along the lines of: why does Dr. Peikoff keep talking about “generalizations”, aren’t those inherently over-sweeping statements (often about people) that don’t apply to all the particulars? I was able to explain what was meant, but that question had never even occurred to me.) So I think there is a good cognitive case for giving that group an associated concept, and the best concept I have for now is “Objectivist”. I’d definitely like to figure out a better term (if not a different concept), however, for the reasons stated above.

As a first step toward either figuring out the new term/concept or deciding that “Objectivist” actually fits, I’d like to discuss some of the essential distinguishing characteristics that I think the group has. First, the members of the group live idea- and value-oriented lives. This actually rules out some so-called Objectivists who, to use John Allison’s phrasing, accept Rand’s view only “on the top of their heads” and don’t have them fully integrated with their lives and thinking, but it’s far too broad on its own. Second, these are people whose philosophies were shaped, solidified, and/or confirmed by study of Rand’s work. This rules out people who have come to many of the same conclusions as Rand independently of her (which is important because such a person would probably think in different terms and be less interested in studying/discussing Rand’s work than actual members of the group), but by itself might be said to cover even people such as Alan Greenspan (who, after all, was definitely shaped by Rand’s work, even if he rejects it) who definitely do not belong in the group. Third, these are people who agree with the essential principles of Rand’s philosophy. This is a challenging characteristic since it raises the obvious question: essential, for what purpose? If someone agrees that A is A but disagrees that selfishness is moral, he definitely doesn’t belong to the group, but I differ from Rand on her characterization of percepts as being somehow composed of sensations, yet I think I do belong. I’m not sure how to determine where the line of “essential” is in this case, so for now I’ll have to be content with a vague “I’ll know it when I see it” standard of judging this factor.

Though I’m far from certain, I think these three characteristics, while hardly exhaustively descriptive of the group, are enough to distinguish its members from non-members in a way that best explains most of the characteristics that group members have in common with each other but differ from non-members. In other words, I think a properly condensed statement of these characteristics might serve as a good definition of the concept I am searching for. So now that I have a (sloppy, in current form) definition, I need a word. I’m loathe to create an entire new word without being sure nothing existing covers this, but I’ve had a hard time figuring out what existing word my fit. I’m slightly leaning toward “Randian”, but that might actually increase the emphasis on Rand herself, and it also has a negative connotation as it’s currently used. I don’t really have any ideas besides this one, and it’s not particularly good, so for now I’ll use “Objectivist”, take care to recognize all the potential problems with that term, and keep searching for a better one.

Thinking about this issue has made me rethink what the central goals of an Objectivist social movement should be. Previously, I had thought that spreading understanding and acceptance of Objectivism throughout the culture was the fundamental goal. But now that seems to focused on the particular historical ideology to be a central goal. Honestly, while I certainly wouldn’t mind a world where most people were Objectivists, I don’t view such a world as necessary for the kind of society I want to live in and the kind of values I want to exist, and I have doubts about whether most the population should even be reasonably expected to care about philosophy in the explicit, in-depth way that being an Objectivist requires. That being said, there are certain central goals that I think an Objectivist movement (or some aspect thereof) should reasonably address. The primary social one is implementation of laisseiz-faire capitalism, for reasons I don’t think I have to explain here. Another value, though less important, is more people creating intellectual work based on a philosophical framework influenced by Objectivism in the way described above. Creating more social opportunities for Objectivists to interact would also be a huge benefit. Finally, having a more significant portion of the population approach their work rationally (though not necessarily in accordance with Objectivism) would be a great benefit, especially in intellectual fields (e.g. I don’t care if my physics teacher is an Objectivist, but I do want him to stop telling me that physicist can only describe appearances, not reality). Now, it may turn out that the best way to achieve these goals is to spread Objectivism as such, but even if so I think that should properly be viewed as the means, not the end, of a movement of Objectivists. So from now on, to the extent that I support or participate in any organized Objectivist endeavours, I will be careful to ensure that the aims of those endeavours are ultimately these values (unless I’ve decided that there are other values that Objectivists as such are best suited to pursue). Importantly, I hope to remove any subconscious notion from myself that Objectivist proselytisation on anything more than an individual basis is really that valuable, since ultimately I think there are values far more fundamental than the Objectivist philosophy as such.

As always, I’d love to hear your thoughts. I’m particularly interested in what people think about my misgivings about the term “Objectivist” and ideas about alternative words for my conceptualization of the relevant group of people.

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  • SoftwareNerd

    I agree completely. Personally, I find the term “Objectivist” to be a useful one, but I have never used it to mean “those who fully agree with Objectivism”. I would have little use for a concept like that (though someone else might).

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Oh my god. I just checked this over and I have nearly 30 parenthetical statements in this post. Bad, bad Shea.

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  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Do my essential characteristics jive with how you use the term?

  • SoftwareNerd

    Pretty much. Like you said, one needs a concept to hold these referents: people like you and me and the folks on certain forums, and in certain discussion groups and clubs. I suppose my definitions is something like “people who identify Objectivism as their main philosophical influence”

  • MichaelM

    Rare fun this is, reading a thorough—almost obsessive—treatise on how to name one’s philosophy. As an Objectivist for 43 years, I’ve worked my way through each and every one of these novel conundrums that are possibly unique to those who agree with Rand as opposed to other philosophers whose works were less exacting. The answer you seek is not a word. It is a gaggle of words and/or phrases each in its own context. It depends each time you refer to your own ideas on the person to whom you are speaking—on what particular aspect of your relationship to Rand’s ideas you are conveying.

    Now only adjacent to this is Rand’s view on the matter that varied over time. In one of the earliest TV interviews, the host struggled for a moment over what to call her followers, and she spontaneously supplied him with “Objectivist.” Much later, as you no doubt know, she requested that no one use that word, since it was her personal philosophy, and others were “students of Objectivism.” I think, by then, she had become aware that some of “the collective” that she had overestimated and made quasi-spokespersons for the philosophy, were not up to the task, and that too many Objectivists would spoil the broth. She also hated the word “Randian” because it had cultish connotations.

    That is all moot now, as the internet and blogosphere has designated you and me and your group of O-friends as “Objectivists,” with a broad swath of contexts. So be it. The important thing is that in the conversation that follows your self-identification, there are no traces that you are claiming to be a spokesperson. I often refer to myself as an “Ayn Rand Objectivist” just to see if the person has ever heard of either. So as my comment on your #1 of misgivings about Objectivism, I would say that I must disagree with you. You are way too concerned with this. Pick a few honest phrases to describe yourself in the various contexts that occur and use them as called for.

    Having spent a lifetime as a designer and studied more art and art history than I could ever make use of, I regard the Objectivist aesthetics (#2 concern) to be in the top few of her greatest achievements. The enormous complexity of the world of artistic endeavor that to the laymen seems like a chaos of random and independent (not to mention contradictory) historical trends, compounded by the contemporary view that the whole thing is nothing but subjective whims, is a high hurdle for anyone. But Rand’s concepts and principles slice through the entirety like a hot knife through butter, and enable one to order the pieces into a network of interrelated ideas and actions that conform to her scheme wherever in history you look. You cited no specifics, but you are welcome to ask.

    (#3), the limits on the lifetime of intellectual property, is explained in her essay on patents and copyrights I think. The time she suggested was life plus 50 years. The added 50 years is necessary to guarantee any purchaser of the rights that he could recoup his investment if the creator died ten minutes after signing the deal. Without that extension, the creator could never benefit from his creation as no one would take the risk of losing everything on his premature death.

    The reason other property has no such limit is because its value cannot be sustained without continually adding value to it in maintenance and management, and such. giving the inheritor rights earned on his own. But the value of intellectual property is potentially open-ended without any further addition of value to it by an inheritor, so it would be an undue right if it does not end with the 50 year extension.

    It helps to recall Rand’s explanation of the nature of property. We can only own the product of our own mind and body. Matter cannot be owned by anyone because no one created it. The right we have to possess and control matter such as land and objects derives from the added value that is the product of our mind and body embodied in that matter. This is the principle underlying homesteading and any requirement that to retain physical property, one must add additional value to it.

    (#4) Objectivism is not, for better or worse, defined by the actions of Rand’s life, about which very few are completely informed. It is what she wrote and approved. One can make a judgment of Rand to the extent one knows exactly how she lived and what she thought. But any judgment of the philosophy must be of its recorded content. Ideas stand alone on their own merit. Also, what others do to or with the philosophy is not relevant to the validity of the philosophy.

    (#5) It is too late too worry about the appropriate way to expand Objectivism’s influence. When I first read “The Virtue of Selfishness,” Objectivism—the “movement”—was a small group gathered in the living room of a New York apartment. Beyond, it was but the future potential of a dozen or so like me listening to NBI’s tape recordings in someone’s home or a rented meeting room in about 60 locations world-wide. It has since become Rand, the philosopher, teaching the followers, who have taught the teachers who are out there teaching the students, who with the rest of us are on the internet teaching each other, all of whom are applying the principles where we work and where we vote and we party, and now when someone says, “Ayn Rand,” fewer say, “Who?” This has happened and is happening exactly like she said it would, for the most part individual to individual , and it will continue at an accelerating pace until those principles will be implicit in every corner of the culture down to and including the scribblings on restroom walls. You don’t have to proselytize, just explain.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Hi MichaelM,

    Thanks for your comments. I may respond more fully at a later time, but I want to make one point now:

    Regarding your (#2) and (#3): For the purposes of this post, the particular disagreements I have are largely immaterial. While I might dedicate another post to those specific disagreements (or, in the case of aesthetics, lacks of knowledge), for now my question is: given that I DO disagree with Rand on IP and that I DO lack full knowledge/understanding of her aesthetic theory, should I still call myself an Objectivist?

  • http://twitter.com/aaronbilger Aaron Bilger

    I was first introduced to Rand’s writing at a college Objectivist club. This was in the wake of the recent Peikoff/Kelly split and Reisman excommunication, souring me on Oist organizations. Also unfortunately, the only person there who vocally described himself as ‘Objectivist’ (he wasn’t the only Oist, but the only one who emphasized the term) was an intolerant dogmatist.

    Because of these influences, despite Rand’s ideas agreeing with me, I avoided using the term to describe myself for several years to avoid what I improperly saw as defining characteristics. And for several more years, insisted on a weak ‘little-o’ objectivist term to differentiate myself to still differentiate from the big-Os who’d made a terrible impression. However, I finally realized that sharing the core philosophy with some bad apples does not mean it did not fit me.

    Returning to the one definition that should matter, from Rand herself, master of getting to essentials:

    1) metaphysics – objective reality
    2) epistemology – reason
    3) ethics – rational self-interest
    4) politics – laissez-faire capitalism

    That fit, perfectly, and there was no denying I was and am an Objectivist. This doesn’t mean certain other people that are intolerable may not legitimately share that philosophy (along with many more great, interesting, and fun Oists I have met over the years!!). It also doesn’t mean there will necessarily be agreement on all applications such as in politics. Only one of Epstein/Brook or myself are correct on intentionally targeting innocents in war, for example, but that does not mean I think there’s not error of knowledge (on their part, of course ;) ) rather than evasion, or that any of us are not Objectivists.

    Other attempts at refining or tweaking what Objectivism means – be it agreement with Rand in all applications (or at least published ones), the ‘closed system’, ‘open system’, ‘closed system except additions where Peikoff wants them like DIM and Harriman’s induction’, etc. can become confusing and distracting. If you want to determine if you’re an Objectivist, I’d just go back to Rand’s standing-on-one-foot definition and ask “Is that me?”

  • http://twitter.com/aaronbilger Aaron Bilger

    Kelley, not Kelly, of course :) .

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    I think this gets to a significant part of this issue, which is: Is “Objectivism” a concept, or a particular? If it is a concept, then I can recognize that my philosophy, Rand’s philosophy, and your philosophy are all essentially similar (especially along the lines of your 4 characteristics) when compared to most folks’ philosophies. So I could say that Rand’s philosophy was an Objectivist philosophy (or a type of Objectivism, or an Objectivism), and I can say the same about mine and yours. But if I add anything to my philosophy while still staying within the right range of omitted measurements, then I’d be justified in calling my new philosophy (which might significantly disagree with or expand upon Rand’s) an Objectivism.

    But, if Objectivism is a particular (which Rand herself and most influential Objectivists on this side of the Kelley split hold), then your approach has a problem. If Objectivism is a philosophical system, then it is the entire and exact philosophical system that Rand wrote on. As a particular, there are no measurements omitted from the term, no non-essential aspects abstracted away, and no ability to call any philosophy other than Rand’s an Objectivism (if you were speaking precisely, you wouldn’t call any old mountain with faces carved into it “a Mount Rushmore”, would you?). If, however, Objectivism is not an entire philosophy but instead is merely a group of integrated, essential principles, then there are two problems: a) no one’s philosophy, including Rand’s, is Objectivism (since it’s not a philosophy!), rather it has to be said that their philosophies contain or agree with or hold that Objectivism is true (much as I’d say my philosophy holds that reason is man’s fundamental means of survival, not that my philosophy IS that reason is man’s fundamental means of survival), and b) there is a real question of what set of principles, exactly, Objectivism refers to.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Note that this comment only addresses what Objectivism is, not what an Objectivist is (“Objectivist” is clearly a concept)

  • http://twitter.com/Tenure Rory

    But Kelly, too, is a devil of a woman.

  • MichaelM

    In every language, there are words that cannot be translated into a parallel word in other languages. They require rather a phrase. Similarly, you are searching for a word to describe yourself that does not exist. Nor is such necessary. What’s wrong with saying, “I am in general agreement with Objectivism” or “I am an Objectivist with some minor qualification/disagreement” or similar? Relate yourself to Objectivism the way Rand related to Aristotelianism and Thomism.

    And Objectivism is a particular, period! Knowledge is not the intellectual property of anyone, but a particular formulation of it belongs to the creator. Objectivism consists of the product of her mind and effort and belonged to her. As it passes into the public domain, it may not be altered or augmented without committing a grave injustice to her.

    As for DIM and Harriman’s book, I have not encountered either first or second hand any evidence that Peikoff is trying to incorporate it into the philosophy. Those are applications of the philosophy.

    And be careful how you classify your disagreements. Not all Rand said or did is part of the philosophy. Only that which was put forward as philosophical principles and identifications is part of the philosophy. Sometimes our information on whether an idea was fully baked or still just in progress when she died is incomplete requiring one to speculate and interpret anecdotal evidence to determine if it is or isn’t part of the philosophy. But there are plenty of issues not addressed by it. And if in your lifetime another philosopher starting with Rand does an equally good job on induction and music and homosexuality, and whatever else she left unfinished, then you will really have a problem professing to be in synch with two philosophies with different names. Don’t name your philosophy. Describe it.

    And Aaron, I’d like to see a citation for an Objectivist who advocates “intentionally targeting innocents” in war. I suspect you added the word “intentionally.” The principle is that all adults in a tyranny have an obligation to themselves and their offspring to get out or if imprisoned in a country to at least get away from areas likely to be bombed, especially when the leaflets are dropped.

    Smart bombs are reducing the necessity for carpet bombing that existed in World War II and Viet Nam. But when and if it is necessary, the blood of those innocents is not on the bombers, but rather on the tyrants who created that necessity by their actions.

  • Joshua Job

    I have been wondering the same things you have been Shea. Essentially, if Objectivism is a concept, defined in a somewhat more detailed fashion than Rand’s stand-on-one-foot description, then we have essentially what Kelley was talking about (I actually listened to his founding speech of the IOS today, because I wanted to see what he said for myself). This has some attraction, since, as you pointed out, I’m not sure if Objectivism is a particular if anyone can really be an “Objectivist” in the sense of holding the philosophy of Ayn Rand. But I don’t think Rand would be particularly happy about that (though I haven’t actually seen anything where she explicitly said that was wrong, only stuff where Peikoff did).

    Regardless of what specifically you want to call it, the class of philosophies that, for example, you and SoftwareNerd and I and Peikoff and others (possibly including Kelley, I haven’t decided just yet), needs a name. I am heavily leaning toward Randian, in order to avoid any of those pesky “closed” v. “open” system discussions altogether. But I agree with you that it needs a name, and I think either Randian or Objectivist is the best one. One final note: Randian I like out of analogy with other philosophers philosophies, such as Lockean, Aristotelian, Platonist, Humean, Spinozan, etc.

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    1) metaphysics – objective reality
    2) epistemology – reason
    3) ethics – rational self-interest
    4) politics – laissez-faire capitalism

    These aren’t philosophies they’re trite labels which either lack definitions or posses circular definitions which amount to tautological philosophical pointlessness.  There is no good reason to believe that rational self interest equates to the standard ‘Objectivist style wealth maximizer’ nor is there any good reason to believe that there has ever been a meritocratic system of currency and just initial distribution of resources that would justify laissez-faire capitalism.

    If you want to be a selfish douche in all of your interactions with other people just go ahead and do it, you don’t need the angsty ramblings of a delusional woman who couldn’t get over the communists taking away her daddy’s farm so she had to create a fictional world of superhero inventors that bears no connection whatsoever to who science and innovation occur in the actual world to back you up.