My Treatment in Last Tuesday’s OAC Call

Last Tuesday (2/11/2010), Dr. Onkar Ghate, Debi Ghate, and Dr. Yaron Brook held a phone conference with most of the current OAC students. In preparation for this call, an email was sent out to the OAC students which, among other things, contained a PDF that had the conclusion of the ARI section of my recent post about Dr. McCaskey’s resignation, and none of the rest. In addition to many other topics, part of the phone conference consisted of Dr. Ghate discussing me and the post, based solely on that conclusion.

Only my conclusion was sent to the group, and only the conclusion was discussed. My post was long for a reason: I knew my conclusions were surprising and I wanted to make sure my evidence was presented as fully as possible. The conclusion was clearly not meant to stand alone. What possible reason was there to take my discussion out of context? I was never told that my post was being used, and if things had happened the way Dr. Ghate intended I wouldn’t have even known that there was an OAC call, let alone that I was discussed. Why was it so important that I not know about this?

My post was characterized as a “rant”. Granted, my post was long, but, however much one may disagree with the conclusions, that is a completely unwarranted description. I strove to make the reasons for my conclusions clear and based on the evidence in a calm, straightforward manner, and though my conclusions may be extreme that does not mean they are the emotionalistic, unsupported spewing that “rant” implies.

According to the discussion, my conclusion is an attack on the integrity and independence of current ARI intellectuals, and Dr. Ghate was surprised by that attack. I think it’s clear (especially given the rest of the article) that I was talking about the implications of the implicit policy of Dr. Peikoff’s email staying in place for the future of the Institute, not anything to do with any current intellectuals. My point (which I stand by) was that IF it’s true that a person can lose his job for an intellectually honest disagreement that does not imply disagreement with Objectivism or contradict the policies of the ARI (as appears to be the case here), THEN the climate at the ARI will be incompatible with the needs of an academic, and one implication of that is that any future work from the ARI will have to be looked over a bit more skeptically. Now, I’m not ruling out the possibility that someone could honestly interpret my statement otherwise, but no one at the ARI, including Dr. Ghate, ever contacted me to make sure my views were understood correctly, or to make sure I was aware of the implications. Why, if Dr. Ghate was so surprised, didn’t he say anything to me? [ADDENDUM 7/11/10 2335 EST: After Anon2 in the comments contacted me privately with his concerns, I want to clarify that it is possible to interpret Dr. Ghate as having said that it was possible I was unaware of the implications of my position. However, although that would mean he wasn't as unfair as I thought he was, it would just make it even more confusing that he didn't try to contact me first.]

I was apparently ridiculed for saying that my interpretation was “the only reasonable interpretation of these events”. That statement was meant to be read in the context of the rest of the post, that is “given what I’ve said here, this is the interpretation I’m lead to”. Obviously, if I was wrong about something in the body of the post, my conclusion is no longer supported as I thought it was, but I don’t see how it’s fair to interpret me as saying that any reasonable man looking at the situation would come to my conclusion. If I had thought that were the case, why would I have put so much time into giving my reasons?

It was claimed that I wrote this post without any attempt at communication or asking questions. This is absolutely false. On September 20th, nearly a month before the publication of my post, I sent an email to Dr. Brook raising the very same concerns I raised in the post. I then postponed writing my post to wait for a reply, which I only gave up on after Dr. Brook’s email published in the NoodleFood post about this issue made it clear that the ARI was not interested in (or able to) clarify the situation. There are at least four people who had intended to contact the ARI with questions who decided not to after I told them my email went unanswered.

The timing and reasoning of my departure from the OAC were also discussed on the call (with my friends and former classmates in the audience!), as was Dr. Ghate’s interpretation of my attitude toward him and the OAC as a whole. Now, I don’t particularly mind them knowing all of that, but that information is mine to tell. If Dr. Ghate thought it was important that the students know these private facts, why didn’t he contact me first to make sure I was ok with them being discussed?

Finally, Dr. Ghate made assumptions about why I am no longer recommending the OAC that I can characterize as nothing less than a completely baseless fantasy. It was suggested (apparently in a very condescending tone) that I planned to tell stories that took class discussions out of context to demonstrate the lack of intellectual independence of OAC students. My post was explicitly set up to be supported only by publicly available facts, and I have given no indication that I thought the classes had evidence of intellectual cowardice (in fact, my experiences demonstrate otherwise), that I would take classroom discussion (that I promised, when joining the OAC, not to spread) out of context, or that anything in this entire post was based on my personal experience in the OAC at all. Why didn’t Dr. Ghate take me at my word: that I was no longer recommending the OAC because I didn’t think the ARI has an appropriate environment for an intellectual so long as Dr. Peikoff’s email goes unchallenged? Perhaps he disagrees with that conclusion, but at least that is what I actually said.

As you can probably guess, I’m extremely upset and furious. I’ve been misrepresented, been subjected to falsehoods, and never received even the courtesy of an email letting me know that anyone took issue with my statement (let alone checking to make sure I was interpreted properly). I sent an email to Dr. Ghate, Dr. Brook, Debi Ghate, and (based on mistaken information about her relationship to the call) Dr. Tara Smith asking for an explanation of this treatment of me, and received nothing. This aspect of the situation has been terrible on many levels: that I’ve been attacked in front of my friends and former classmates, that, if Dr. Ghate had had his way, I wouldn’t have had a chance to defend/explain myself or (if I had thought I had done wrong) apologize, that a man I respected and liked treated me and my intellectual work in such an inappropriate (and, frankly, mean) fashion, and that an educator abused his authority and position to attack his former student in order to provide a “lesson” to his current ones. In order to explain my situation and feelings, to defend myself to my classmates who heard the attack, and to allow the general public to know what Dr. Ghate (sanctioned, by silent assent, by Debi Ghate and Dr. Brook) has done and to judge him accordingly, I had to publish this post. I hope this will help lead to a more just resolution of the situation, but at the very least I will have said my piece.

If you want more information about this situation or my views, please feel free to contact me.

ADDENDUM (7/11/10, 2040 EST):

I have received several comments from those concerned with the source of my information. To that, I have two comments:

  1. I am certain that I am not leaving out important context, and that the remarks I claim were made were made. If you want to know the details of how, please contact me privately.
  2. Perhaps it can be claimed that I should never have been given the information I was given. But I was, and once I knew that I was slandered in front of 70+ OAC students I could hardly stay silent, especially not for a privacy policy that is not binding on me. And even if you disagree with me knowing what I know, I think people should focus on the facts of what was said, included whether it was fair or not, and not on the means by which I learned them.

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  • http://rantfromtherock.blogspot.com/ Kelly Valenzuela

    I’m so sorry you were dragged into this mess, Shea. I’m disgusted by the things going on at ARI and stunned that they are being handled so poorly. I’m meeting with my attorney this week to have them taken out of my estate and I will also be removing them as beneficiary of mine and Santiago’s retirement accounts and life insurance policies. :-(

  • http://rantfromtherock.blogspot.com/ Kelly Valenzuela

    Oh, and my email to ARI about all of this (that I sent back in late September I think), went unanswered as well. Burying their head in the sand and shutting up may have worked if they’d actually done that. :-P

  • Anon

    1. This is why some conversations should stay confidential….because the person who dishonestly violated the OAC policy did not do a very accurate job of conveying the context behind the statements made. Which leads to the ridiculous things you say in this post.

    2. Why is it okay for you to spew utter crap about ARI’s private board matters without talking to them first but it’s not okay for them to talk about your blog post?

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Anon,

    1. I may not be able to prove this to you so long as you stay anonymous, but I know for sure that my characterization is accurate. If you want to know the details of how I came to my information, I’d be glad to respond to a private email, so long as you provide your identity. Also, if you think it’s dishonest to tell the victim of an unjust attack that he has been treated this way, then you and I have perhaps a different standard of dishonesty.

    2. If you read my post carefully, you’ll see that I attempted to talk to the people involved, on two separate occasions: Once before my original post, and once after the details of the phone call were conveyed to me. Their failure to respond removes any obligation I might have had to discuss my concerns with them

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  • Anon

    It is dishonest to agree to abide by the OAC confidentiality policy and then violate that policy. And it’s sickening that you evade that.

    And attemping to talk is not the same thing as actually talking to someone. Believe it or not, I’m sure ARI has more important things to do than answer to you.

    The point remains- you’ve been given inaccurate, context-less information. You need a better confidant.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    So I’m morally obligated to talk to them before going public with this, and if they choose not to respond I must, what, keep trying? Or pretend this never happened?

    My information is neither inaccurate nor context-less (and you’ve given no evidence for that claim). As I’ve said twice now, I am willing to provide more information to those who contact me privately.

    Finally, I’m glad I was able to sicken you with my obvious evasion. Because what’s the point of being immoral if no one gets sick? Just so you know, I am not bound by the privacy policy for anything that occurred after I left the OAC, so I’m not even sure what you’re getting at.

  • Anon

    As someone who actually attended the conference, I can say that the information you received was not accurate….so who should one believe? An actual OAC student who was there or an OAC drop-out pouting because ARI called him out on his idiocy?

    If you’re so sure you got the right information, why don’t you name the source publicly? If this individual clearly did not act dishonestly, what’s to hide? Afraid of the repercussions?

  • D. Jason Fleming

    Anonymous Hero demands victim of slander reveal all, remains safely anonymous his own self. Nation marvels at courage and integrity of whoever he is. Film at 11.

  • Anon2

    Anon,

    You are right that some of what Shea has been told omits contexts and gets some facts wrong.

    But I was on that call, too. As you may remember, Onkar made much of the fact that not one OAC student even attempted to contact anyone at ARI about what had happened with John McCaskey. Onkar also pointed to Shea as an example of someone who jumped to conclusions about ARI policy without attempting to contact ARI. But if what Shea says is true, it was misleading of Onkar to say that, when in fact Shea did attempt to contact ARI. (Since Shea emailed Yaron, Onkar was probably just misinformed.)

    Secondly, what do you think of Onkar’s releasing private information about Shea? Is it fair for Onkar to tell us all private information about Shea, and then expect Shea to respect the privacy of the OAC?

    Finally, I’ll just note that your attitude is near identical to that of some of the OAC students Onkar criticized. Being on ARI’s side of this doesn’t excuse that behavior.

  • Anon

    Last I checked….Shea is not an OAC student.

    So how does Dr. Ghate’s comment apply to this situation exactly?

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Anon2,

    Is it possible for you to share in what ways my information is inaccurate? I would greatly appreciate any chance to soften my position and correct any wrongs. If you feel bound by the privacy policy, I understand.

    Thank you for standing up for me where you thought it necessary, even though it seems you don’t agree with my stance as a whole. It is heartening to see that there are people who are able to disagree on these issues without falling to wholesale condemnation or completely ignoring what the other side has said. I think most of the relevant aspect of this issue are very complex, and honest disagreement is possible. More people could do with remembering that.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Anon,

    If you can point out any inaccuracies, I will gladly correct them. I am certain there are none, but I’m not infallible and would gladly have the chance to right a wrong. As for asking “who should one believe”, I have given those who have doubts the opportunity to contact me privately for more information. Calling me pouty and an idiot doesn’t help matters in the slightest.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Anon,

    I’m sorry, I’m confused. To which of Dr. Ghate’s comments are you referring?

  • http://twitter.com/aaronbilger Aaron Bilger

    I’m sorry for your mistreatment on the conference call and its disregarding your privacy, quoting you out of context, and falsely stating whether you contacted anyone. I actually think what the OAC did is wrong in one more respect than you mention.

    You indicate OAC supplied students with “a PDF that had the conclusion of the ARI section of [your] recent post about Dr. McCaskey’s resignation, and none of the rest”. That means they took a 380+ word writing of your writing – your copyrighted material from your blog – to use for their own purposes without your permission.

    I’m skeptical that such a substantial quote would even pass the legal test of fair use. Regardless the state of current law, however, from an ethical standpoint the OAC disregarded your intellectual property rights.

  • Anon2

    As seems to be happening a lot in this dispute, there’s been a breakdown of communication. I misread your earlier post as chastising Shea for violating policy, when clearly you were criticizing the person who is feeding Shea information. My apologies.

    Re: Onkar’s comments. I do not think it was fair of Onkar to tell us private information about Shea’s time at OAC. Since, according to Onkar, Shea left for entirely innocent reasons, and since, again according to Onkar, Shea was merely confused and not malicious, it was improper of Onkar to make that part of the discussion.

    Also, if Shea in fact did email Yaron (and I see no reason to think Shea a liar), does one need to give an explanation of why it is a problem that Onkar claimed Shea never contacted ARI? Probably, Onkar and Yaron just didn’t communicate on that issue. It’s still a problem that they were wrong, because part of their criticism was premised on the assumption that Shea reached his conclusion without giving a thought to what Onkar and Yaron’s side of things might be.

    Lastly, remember how they characterized a lot of what has been written on this topic “intellectual vomit?” How would you describe this characterization of Shea: “OAC drop-out pouting because ARI called him out on his idiocy?” Let’s take Onkar’s advice and think through what we say with more care, and take Diana Hsieh’s advice and say it with more tact.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    In response to Anon2′s private message to me, I have updated my post (see the end of my fourth paragraph)

  • http://twitter.com/aaronbilger Aaron Bilger

    “Probably, Onkar and Yaron just didn’t communicate on that issue.”

    If that’s the case, however, it seems it would have been easy to straighten out on the call given that Yaron Brook himself was on it.

  • Anon

    I don’t honestly recall when Shea was said to want to share things about what happened during his time in OAC. All I remember Dr. Ghate discussing is that he thought Sheat left on friendly grounds because he was busy with schoolwork and that he was surprised that this is how Shea really felt.

    Dr. Brook did say that he was disappointed that no *OAC student* contacted them about this, but Shea is not an OAC student. There was no mention whatsoever about Shea not contacting them, so the accusation that they said this and that there was some sort of “miscommunication” is a fabrication.

  • SoftwareNerd

    I cannot understand how ARI makes a point of saying that people (OAC students or whoever) have not emailed them. One of ARI’s main functions is publicity. I’m pretty sure they are fully aware of the arguments among many of their supporters and donors, and the disappointment of those among them who think ARI has acted unfairly.

    ARI should be the one taking control of the conversation rather than waiting for people to contact the. Going silent is the worst way to handle this situation.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Anon,

    If you don’t recall what was said about me, maybe you should rethink your certainty in saying that “there was no mention whatsoever about Shea not contacting them”. It was explicitly stated by Dr. Ghate that my post came without me ever having contacted them to ask questions. I’ll reiterate my offer of demonstrating more evidence in private communication here, but on this issue I suspect you could just talk to any of your friends in the OAC to see if they remember that claim.

    As for the rest, it’s understandable that you don’t recall it. If you are interested in being reminded of what happened, I’d be glad to tell you in detail.

  • anon54911

    My only questions are: 1) Why did it take so long for so many Objectivists to realize how rotten ARI is as an organization? This isn’t the first time Peikoff has said something crazy, and it’s certainly not the first time the ARI has dropped the ball.

    And 2) Why are so many Objectivists still letting the rest of ARI’s “intellectuals” off the hook here? In my very first conversation with Onkar I asked a few philosophical questions, but he evaded my questions and instead attacked some random idea that was wholly unrelated to our conversation. I was surprised by how hostile he was. I asked myself: What must be the nature of those who put such a person in charge of educating their students? And now we have our answer.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Also, it should be said that even if it were true that comments were only made about OAC students not contacting them, I know of at least one (and possibly two) OAC students who did not contact them as a result of my email being ignored. So my email is relevant, even then, to their claims.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    anon54911,

    It may be true, as you imply, that there has been evidence of rottenness in the past. I’ve not seen such, but then I’ve never invested the time into investigating past issues (I’ve only known of the ARI since 2005). In general, I don’t know if it’s possible to judge people for not realizing how bad things are unless you know how involved they’ve been and how much information they’ve had access to. I certainly don’t fault anyone for continuing to support the ARI due simply to the fact of their support (though I do fault some continued supporters due to their reasoning).

  • Anon_5

    Wow. Things that are wrong about your post.

    1. That it was characterized as a rant.

    2. That it was claimed that you planned to tell stories about class discussions.

    3. That your the conclusion post was taken out of context.

    4. That the post was ridiculed.

    It was explicitly said that only the conclusion was cited, and that one could go read the whole post. It was explicitly said that the offensive things that purportedly follow from the conclusion are *not* things that you necessarily intended to say.

    Certainly it was disagreed with. But you weren’t treated unfairly. Drawing implications out of someone’s thesis or conclusion is not taking someone out of context or misrepresenting someone. It is also not necessary to try to figure out what someone “intended” to say to draw out the implications of what was actually said.

    You can disagree that this follows from what you said. But that doesn’t mean you are being treated unfairly. It is not a leap to infer serious criticisms of the Institute and its staff from your conclusion.

    There’s no need for you to publicly defend yourself like this. It raises way more questions than it answers — questions about you, your source, and ARI — in ways that can’t really be addressed in a satisfactory way, for the vast majority of people who are reading it.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Anon2 (are you the same Anon2 as before in this thread?),

    There were specific things that were said (particularly the mockery of my claim that this was “the only reasonable conclusion”) that simply could not have been reasonably said if my whole post had been included. And given that I made it abundantly clear what I meant to say in the preceding paragraphs (my conclusion was a summation, after all!), it would not take much work to figure out what my words were intended to mean.

    And what about the fact that a blatant falsehood was spread about me? I don’t doubt that Dr. Ghate believed I hadn’t contacted them, but the fact remains that I DID and it’s important to his claims that I didn’t, so it’s important that that be corrected. And what of the fact that my personal information was shared? Is that not a legitimate concern?

    The post was literally called a rant. It absolutely was suggested that the reason I am no longer recommending the OAC would involve telling stories highlighting lack of intellectual independence among OAC students. I don’t know your standards for ridicule, so without further discussion there I can’t address your fourth point.

  • Anon5

    The fact that *some* rants and discussions of *other* former OAC students behavior was discussed in the temporal vicinity of your conclusion does not imply that your post was or indicates either of those things. You have a sloppy source.

  • http://randex.org/ Mark Wickens

    You said you sent your email directly to Yaron Brook. Did you also send it through their official contact mechanism (http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=contact)? If not, I can see why Dr. Ghate — and perhaps even Dr. Brook — were not aware of your inquiry. As far as I know, Dr. Brook’s email address is not even listed on the ARI website and is probably not intended to be used as an official communications channel by the general public. It wouldn’t surprise me (or upset me) if emails from people he doesn’t know get summarily trashed. He’s a busy guy.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Mark,

    I got the contact information from http://www.yaronbrook.com/contact_information.html (see third section “General Correspondence”). If he doesn’t want people to contact him with general correspondence, then he shouldn’t have that.

    That being said, I was neither surprised nor upset that he didn’t respond to my email. I was only surprised and upset when it was said I never sent one.

  • http://randex.org/ Mark Wickens

    But your email was not “general correspondence” appropriate for Dr. Brook personally. It was about decisions and policy of ARI.

    The issues are (a) whether the email was sent to the right place in order for you to get an answer for your inquiry and (b) whether it’s reasonable to expect ARI as an organization to know about your request if the email was not sent to the right place.

    I don’t think either is true here.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Who else is more appropriate to contact about the “decisions and policy of ARI” than Dr. Brook? And I used a publicly-available contact email that I presume he reads, if I sent this to the wrong person why didn’t he just redirect me?

    I never expected ARI as an organization to know about my request. Since Dr. Brook was on the call, though, I expected him to. Regardless of all this, though, it still remains true that what Onkar said was false. Perhaps you think he was innocent in that falsehood, but it still needs to be corrected (and wasn’t, when I contacted him directly about it).

    Finally, even if you throw out that falsehood there are many more offenses in what happened on that call.

  • Anon

    The fact that I could not recall was not intended to convey uncertainty. Nobody said anything about you not contacting them or that you had malicious intent. I know it must be a real ego boost to be talked about in front of so many people, but you were discussed for less than 90 seconds. So if you think you were the worst of them, you were not. If you think you were the most significant of them, you were not.

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    Obviously, nothing I can say will convince Anon here, but most of this comment is blatant falsehood. For those interested in making sure I’m telling the truth, please contact me privately.

  • Anon

    How are you so sure you know the truth compared to someone who actually attended the conversation? The only way to hear what actual OAC students heard is to have a recording of the conversation. Are you saying that’s what you have?

  • Anon

    How are you so sure you know the truth? The only you would have heard what actual OAC students heard is if you had a recording of the conversation? Are you saying that’s what you have? Or are these just sloppy notes?

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy

    I’m quite obviously not ready at this time to state my sources publicly. If you were actually interested in knowing the answer to this question, you could have contacted me privately.

  • http://twitter.com/aaronbilger Aaron Bilger

    One significant problem concerning the OAC I was not aware of until seeing the comments on this post and observing the apparent fear of revealing anything about one’s identity.Of course, we cannot be certain the 3-4 “Anon*” here aren’t just dirt-farmers in Kazakhstan or any other random person out anywhere on the Internet. However, assuming that one or two of them actually are OAC students, it doesn’t speak well for OAC policy that they are so afraid to even make their identity known.Academic institutions almost always do have confidentiality/privacy policies – concerning faculty disclosing information about students, not vice-versa. A university student may talk with others about the content of his or her classes, a meeting with a professor or advisor, or even outright criticize professors, the dean or school policies. However, a professor sharing information such as grades, attendance or reasons a student dropped a class to 3rd parties would be a breach of privacy.Whatever may be wrong with the modern university system due to its tendency to be government funded and influenced, they do have the right approach concerning confidentiality. Unfortunately, OAC seems to have completely inverted this. It apparently allows faculty to share private information about students – yet makes students fear to even say anything about OAC classes or conferences (or hide behind anonymity if they do). I see the OAC’s effect on academia being seriously stifled as long as they effectively try to implement this unilateral NDA (non-disclosure agreement) going the wrong direction.

  • http://randex.org/ Mark Wickens

    Yes, I definitely think Dr. Ghate was and is innocent. I also think your presumption that the president of a major organization personally reads all emails sent to his address is wrong.

    “Who else is more appropriate to contact about the ‘decisions and policy of ARI’ than Dr. Brook?”

    The people to whom Dr. Brook has delegated these tasks, via the official communications channel available prominently on the ARI website.

  • MSB

    How do we email you?

  • http://www.shealevy.com Shea Colton Levy
  • AnotherAnon

    That Onkar would brag about no OAC students contacting ARI about McCaskey is stunning. He misses the whole point.

    The reason OAC students don’t contact ARI about McCaskey is because of FEAR. Fear that their current educational/career plans could be over for asking the wrong questions. (More likely, that they might still be “in” but in purgatory, receiving less goodwill, less help, and simply on hold until something further got them kicked out.)

  • Anon203940

    You have a shitty memory.

  • http://www.galileoblogs.blogspot.com Anon99

    Regarding what was said on the conference call, I was there and took detailed notes.

    (1) Dr. Ghate referred to Shea’s conclusion as an example of the rants that are not justified. That is nearly an exact quote, “rants that are not justified.”

    (2) Dr. Ghate claimed that Shea published his statement without going back to ARI first.

    Shea is right on both counts. His piece was identified as an example of a “rant” and it was asserted that Shea never contacted ARI before publishing it.

    I am appalled that ARI would publish a portion of Shea’s piece, *without telling him first* and then slander him in such a cowardly manner, without allowing him to be present to defend himself.

    My same evaluation applies to the summary dismissal of the statements made by the Hsiehs and Craig Biddle with minimal justification.

  • MSB

    This is ridiculous and baseless. I just want to briefly state that I was an OAC student and I have no fear whatsoever of asking Onkar or ARI anything at all, ever. I’ve taken numerous courses with him and asked him all sorts of things, some of which were ridiculous, others of which were *quite* heterodox.

    There are various other very plausible reasons why OAC students didn’t (or didn’t successfully, anyway) contact Onkar or ARI. One of which is indicated by Shea, namely that they just didn’t get some initial emails and so people got dissuaded from trying.

    I think Shea is confused about certain things and I strongly suspect Shea is being misled by his source. I’ve emailed him privately.

  • Anon

    But I don’t understand…if this person did good by unveiling these unjust statements that were made about you, then I think everybody would want to know who this person is so that they can be lauded and revered for their courage.

    At least, that’s if you want to be *just* about this whole situation.

    It’s funny how you are so keen to maintain the trust of this individual yet so intent to violate ARI’s. And yes, yes, I know your standard response- you owe them nothing. Yet, what does it say about a person that is so eager to communicate with and obtain “information” from someone so dishonest and deceptive?

  • http://twitter.com/aaronbilger Aaron Bilger

    See D Jason Fleming’s comment above.

  • Anon

    What does my anonymity have to do with anything? I’m not the one professing to have done good by violating a confidentiality agreement.

  • Anon

    If I *had* done good like that, I would certainly want the world to know who I was so that I could be appropriately recognized! Modesty is certainly not a virtue in Objectivism, last time I checked!

  • http://blog.shealevy.com/ Anon101

    Regarding what was said on the conference call, I was there and took detailed notes.

    (1) Dr. Ghate referred to Shea’s conclusion as an example of the rants that are not justified. That is nearly an exact quote, “rants that are not justified.”

    (2) Dr. Ghate claimed that Shea published his statement without going back to ARI first.

    Shea is right on both counts. His piece was identified as an example of a “rant” and it was asserted that Shea never contacted ARI before publishing it.

    I am appalled that ARI would publish a portion of Shea’s piece, *without telling him first* and then slander him in such a cowardly manner, without allowing him to be present to defend himself.

    My same evaluation applies to the summary dismissal of the statements made by the Hsiehs and Craig Biddle with minimal justification.

  • Anon

    Or the other alternative is you’re just a coward who wants to keep receiving an OAC education while doing this behind ARI’s back.